A brand new OO Gauge Lima ringfield motor conversion kit, comprising:
- a replacement 12mm thick 6Vdc high torque 6V can motor,
- computer-designed 3D-printed adaptor,
- 2 x 8-tooth gears (one spare),and
- a length of heat shrink tubing.
This kit requires no permanent adaptation to be made to the motor bogie and therefore the original ringfield (pancake) motor can be reinstalled at any time; the motor, adaptor and/or gear can be replaced with ease, if ever the need arises.
Read more about our ringfield adaptor kits here: www.strathpefferjunction.com/ringfieldadaptors
We have tested the adaptor in UK outline models marked with an asterisk below. Based on visual assessment, this adaptor should also work with all ringfield models listed. Very occasionally, light sanding may be required around the lugs to ensure clearance.
Class 42 (Warships)*
Class 43 (HST)*
Class 121 *
Class 373 (Eurostar)
Class 960 Sandite Unit*
0-4-0 (Diesel & Steam)
★ For our 12Vdc 12mm/Bo-Bo Lima adaptors, please click here.
★ For our 10mm/Co-Co Lima adaptors, please click here.
★ For our Small Loco Lima adaptors (suitable for Class 08/09 shunters and GWR Prairie), please click here.
We can accept no liability or responsibility for any damage or injury occurring from the installation and use of our motor replacement kits. Installation requires modifications and the use of tools, some of which have the potential to damage you and/or you models, as well as other components and equipment. Users must not commence work unless they are confident that they have the skills and experience necessary to complete it successfully, and install these kits and undertake work to their models at their own risk.
1. Our replacement motors are high quality 6v DC motors designed for CD/DVD drives. The output from a DCC decoder or a DC controller can exceed their voltage rating depending on how hard hard the loco is being worked. Whilst our own tests (and those of many others before us) show that these motors are capable of handling voltages higher than their rating, in order to avoid motor burn-out, prolong motor life and achieve prototypical speeds, we recommend:
- For DC/Analogue use, speeds are kept low manually via the controller and a diode* voltage dropper should be considered in order to reduce voltage going to the motor (as outlined in the instructions);
- For DCC use, decoders should have their CV5 value reduced (if available) and, particularly where CV5 adjustment is not available, a diode* voltage dropper should be considered in order to reduce voltage going to the motor (as outlined in the instructions). Some new decoders enable the top voltage sent to the motor to be set via CV57 and, where available, this should be used.
2. With all CD-style motor conversions, it is good practice to: i) maintain very high speeds for relatively short periods only, ii) keep running on steep inclines to a minimum, iii) avoid coupled up with excessively long rakes of coaches/wagons, and iv) where less robust 10mm motors are fitted, resist the temptation to fit additional weight to the loco.
3. It is recommended that locomotives fitted with our 3D printed adaptor kits are not run for more than an hour continuously; this is to prevent the motor temperature from exceeding the glass transition temperature of the plastic.
4. We recommend that locomotives fitted with can-style CD motors are:
- Not run without a DCC decoder as ‘Locomotive 0’ on a DCC model railway layout (this is will lead to over-heating and rapidly ruin the motor), and
- Not placed on the tracks whilst a high frequency track cleaner (such as the Gaugemaster HF-1/HF-2) is in operation. There have been some reports that the frequency can damage the motors, although it is not something that we have tested.
The following instruction manuals are available for this product:
Our upgrade kits can work really well on a DCC layout, however we strongly recommend that a decoder with CV2/CV5/CV6 functionality is fitted; a decoder with CV57 (motor voltage control) is even better. The functions will enable the starting voltage, top and mid speeds of the motor to be fine tuned (or, in the case of CV57, the voltage to be set) and make prototypical speeds more achievable. In most cases, it will also negate the need for a diode voltage dropper to be installed, although as with most decoder installations, you may still have to spend some time fine tuning CV values to get best possible performance.
Most decoders now have CV2/5/6 functionality as standard, but not all, so it’s wise to check the product manual or specification before buying. CV57 functionality is not yet widespread. Please note that Hornby’s R8249 decoder and their TTS Sound range are examples of decoders that do not have any of these functions onboard. Whilst it is still technically possible to use such decoders with our upgrade kits, it is unlikely that you will be able to achieve the same fine tuned speed characterises that you can with other decoders.
Without the option to alter CVs 2/5/6, you must: a) use a diode voltage dropper to reduce voltage going to the motor, and b) it is likely that you will then have to disable Back EMF and alter acceleration/deceleration CVs to suit. With non-sapphire Hornby decoders, you may also have to switch to motor algorithm 2 and alter the associated P and I parameters, and if it’s a TTS sound decoder, you will also have to change the sound notch triggers to ensure that the sound matches the speed as close as possible.
Altering CVs is almost always a case of trial and error and will be influenced significantly by the locomotive type, length of rake, track layout (incl. the number of inclines) and your own preferences for running characteristics. We strongly advise you to back up your decoder’s CV settings before making changes and to change one CV at a time, then test; changing too many CVs at a time may confuse the overall picture.
Using Hornby’s TTS decoders as an example, we have found the following CV values to work reasonably well for Hornby’s Class 37 (Un-refurbished) TTS decoder. The decoder was installed in a Lima Class 37 upgraded with our LA5 motor kit and our DD3 diode voltage dropper kit:
|Configuration Variable (CV)
||Configuration Variable (CV)
|Note: Speeds steps should be set to 128 in order to provide fine low end control, however it is unlikely that you will ever wish increase speed steps beyond ~30 on the controller, otherwise the speed of the model will be far too fast. You will also have to learn to ‘drive’ the model and apply power carefully to get the train moving, backing off a little when the desired speed is achieved.
As is always the case with CVs, there are so many factors involved, you may well find that different TTS sound decoders, let alone different types of decoder, will required different CV settings and, as such, the values are offered simply as an example and may not suit your own scenario. Where diodes are used alongside a digital decoder, you will also have to learn to ‘drive’ the model and apply power carefully to get the train moving, backing off a little when the desired speed is achieved.
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Robert Cockburn (verified owner) –
I bought one of the thinner LA1 kits for my Lima Class 37 last week and was really pleased with it so i decided to convert my HST set as well using one of these 12mm kits. They’re so simple to use and now the HST set is flying around my layout far smoother and quieter than it was before. This is a great product and David has been extremely helpful when I had a couple of questions. .I’m now considering converting my other Lima locos.
Liam Taylor-Warren (verified owner) –
The motor I installed into my Class 43 did burn out after four days… But- I was asking a lot from it given given I run a large model railway with trains going around for seven hours a day and it was a full length HST!. Happily brought a new one this evening and will look at adding diodes as suggested. When it was installed in the 43 I had silky smooth running and virtually no noise. Again, a quality bit of kit!
Strathpeffer Junction (store manager) –
Firstly, many thanks for the 5 star rating. We’re really glad to hear that the kit was simple to install and ran smoothly at first. Please drop us a line and we’ll gladly sort out a replacement motor for you. Just to clarify, motor burn out is, unfortunately, a possibility with constant running. We don’t generally recommend that CD-style motors (whether included in our kits or those purchased elsewhere) are used in models that will see more than a hour’s constant use at a time and/or are worked hard with lots of inclines or long rakes.